Words in this frame have to do with a Cognizer creating a new intellectual entity, the Idea. These words are similar to words of physical creation such as <ment>build</ment> and <ment>make</ment>, and in some cases may be understood as metaphorically based on such words. However, the Ideas in this frame are predominantly conceptual in nature. Compare this frame with Achieving_first. In that frame, the fact that the idea is new to society is emphasized, whereas Coming_up_with refers to an agentive Cognizer using mental effort to figure something out, without any implication of the impact of the idea. I 've been trying to come up with a plan .